Ben
Gillies of Silverchair
Edgefest 1999
With "Neon Ballroom", Silverchair have become one of the most popular rock
'n' roll bands in the world. While that brings with it plenty
of fun and freedom, it can also create isolation and anxiety.
That burden falls heaviest on singer, main songwriter and
frontman Daniel Johns - who wrote the new album while taking
refuge alone for six months, trying to deal with it all, as
well as his own personal stresses. Bassist Chris Joannou and
drummer Ben Gillies are more at ease with their situation.
We caught up with Ben in Dallas, where the band were playing
a benefit show for Kosovo refugees.
How do you find the difference between playing a Silverchair show of
your own, and playing to a big festival crowd like the kind you'll see
on EdgeFest?
It all depends, really. It's good to play in different environments.
Give it a bit of a change, keep it fresh. It all comes down
to the crowd, really. If you're playin' a huge show and the
whole crowd is going absolutely nuts, it can be a real buzz.
But it's the same in a small club, if everybody is going crazy.
Are you touring at a pace that you can all handle better now, or is it
still pretty hectic?
I think we've been touring in a pretty good style. We don't
do it that hard. It's more relaxed. Everyone's fine.
You have a bit of a reputation within the band - and outside of it - as
something of a wild man. "Ben is the Keith Moon of silverchair," say
your bandmates. Do you feel like that at all?
I dunno. I think if you like to have a few drinks and to have
a bit of fun, then you're the "wild man." If people want to
think that, it's fine.
Maybe you just seem like a wild man as compared to your bandmates.
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I don't mind having a bit of fun and
a few drinks, muckin' around.
Have there been any standout shows, positive or negative, so far?
The standout show for me would be the one we did in, I think
it was Baltimore. It was a rodeo show, and I think we played
to about 70,000 people. It was absolutely enormous, huge;
the biggest crowd we've ever played to. It was very amazing.
It was a good feeling. It was a big football stadium or some
kind of sporting arena.
Ya gotta wonder how the person in the last row is feeling about things.
Aw, shit yeah. It'd be like watching a bloody matchstick jump
up and down!
People think that you get to see the world when you tour, but if you
only see it from an airplane window, a hotel room, or a stadium, I
imagine you don't get to absorb too much. Is that changing?
These days we've been getting out a bit more and seeing a
lot more of the places where we've been staying. And now that
we're a bit older, we're more interested in that stuff. More
so than we were at 14 and 16, when we were more worried about
where the video arcade was. We definitely get out much more.
Have you seen anything of interest in the last while?
Actually, we were in Myrtle Beach [South Carolina] a couple
of days ago - we actually had a day off there - and all of
us went jet-skiing. It wasn't just yer normal jet-skiing in
open areas. It was on this river, and you had a guide going
with you, so they took you around. All of us, being from Australia,
could relate to seeing the bush. That kind of environment
was good [for us].
Jet-skiing down the river. Kinda sounds like an update of Huckleberry
Finn.
It was so good, we had so much fun. And they're freakin' fast,
too. But we actually do that back in Australia as well.
EXPANDING SOUNDS IN THE NEON BALLROOM
Neon Ballroom is a really ambitious record. Where did you come up with
the idea to experiment with strings, pianos, flutes and harps?
I think it was a combination of the fact that we'd just done
so much, kinda, straight rock, so we wanted a bit of a change
to keep it fresh, and we wanted to stick out and do something
really different. Most bands these days seem to be down to
the "rock-slash-electronica" sound. Or hip-hop, or everyone's
going the computer way. We thought we'd go the opposite way,
toward old-sounding instrumentation mixed with modern stuff.
There are a few modern-sounding tunes on there. Hence the
name Neon Ballroom.
How did you translate those sonic ideas into actual sounds in the
studio?
A lady named Jane Scarpantoni wrote all the strings for the
album. Daniel had some ideas for strings, and he sat down
with her, told her what he thought, and from what he said
she wrote them out.
How do you re-create those sounds live?
We've actually got a keyboardist on tour, Sam Holloway. He
plays string parts, piano parts, Hammond organ parts. He's
a talented man, that's for sure. We did some auditions back
in Newcastle in Australia - put an ad in the paper, though
they didn't know who they were playing for. We narrowed it
down to the last few and he was one of them. He's actually
from Melbourne, but he flew up. He was really, really good,
so we got him.
"Spawn Again" is one of the few co-writing credits with Daniel and
yourself. How did that come about?
Actually, that's probably one of the oldest songs written
on the album. We wrote that song for the Spawn movie soundtrack.
We had it kind of funkified, remixed for that by a band called
Vitro, I think, in the U.K. We liked the song so much that
we thought we'd put the original version on the album. It's
really fun playing that song live.
CARRYING ON WITH DANIEL DOWN
How did you and Chris deal with Daniel's six-month period of seclusion?
It was alright. If we're doing some pretty heavy touring,
we don't really see each other very much anyways. He just
kind of did his own thing, and I just did my own thing - went
surfing and had fun while he was getting over his depression,
or whatever. We didn't really get into it. He likes to be
by himself. It's not the best news in the world, but we just
let him do his own thing.
Were you two scared about what was going down?
You always worry about this kind of thing, if he's alright,
blah blah blah… But in the end, he's got to figure it out
for himself. It's hard when he doesn't really talk to anyone,
except for his parents, or whatever. It's hard when you don't
really know what's going on in his head. We just let him do
his thing.
You guys seem to take care of each other a bit when you're on tour.
I think we've got touring down to a fine art. Everyone's really
good. If anyone needs their personal space, you give it to
'em. And everyone gets their fair share of shit as well.
I've read where you and Chris room together, but Daniel rooms on his
own.
Chris and I get in together because we like to maybe go out
for a few drinks. Daniel would much rather sit in his room,
watch telly and just chill out. At least that way, neither
of us are barging into his room at three in the morning after
going out for a night.
You drink anything but beer? Just curious.
Yeah, we get into the spirits occasionally. But beer is definitely
the main beverage.
Daniel has said before that real rock 'n' roll comes from anger. But
this album seems to be coming more from sadness or pain.
That's probably why it's not as "rock" as the others. But
I actually disagree with you, my man. I believe that you don't
have to be angry to be able to write rock music.
MYTH VERSUS REALITY
There's some myths that have dogged silverchair that seem to have
finally been dispelled. One of them is that thing about being so young.
Has that gone away?
Yeah, everyone's finally realized that we're here to stay
and we're not muckin' around, y'know? We're a real band. Whereas
before, I think to a certain extent we were a novelty, like
we were gonna be a one-hit wonder, or whatever. People are
taking us seriously. Not that they didn't before, but more,
the masses.
Another thing was the constant comparison to Nirvana.
The funny thing about that is that people would compare us
to Nirvana or Pearl Jam, but what they don't think about is
that would mean that Pearl Jam would have to get compared
to Nirvana as well… Some people say stupid shit. I dunno.
The fact that people used compare us to those two bands has
never ceased to amaze us. Really stupid. We don't really get
that anymore.
You have crowds who are so completely devoted to what you're doing that
they're freaking out when you show up. On the one hand, it's amazing
that you've reached that many people who've responded that strongly; on
the other hand, it can probably be a bit imprisoning, especially for
Daniel.
It's good to know that fans are that devoted. Makes you feel
good. But when they go that one step too far, following you
around constantly, always hassling you - when it gets to that
point, you want to turn around and say "Leave me alone." But
you don't wanna… I don't think you should do that. They're
not there for bad reasons, but if they just knew when to call
it quits, it'd be alright. Just come and say hello, maybe
hang out for a bit, then get out of there. But if someone's
around all the time…
Having played "Anthem For The Year 2000," do you it'll be something
special, or just another year?
I'm sure there'll be some things that kind of stuff up, that
might be 2000-worthy, but I think it'll be just another year.
With technology these days, they'll just fix it, quick-smart,
and we'll be alright.
Any New Year's Eve plans?
Not really. There's a small possibility that we'll play a
gig in Australia, but I'd much rather be home with family
and friends that we know rather than spend it at work - not
that being in a band is work, but that night it'd be work.